tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10779294.post8373321823373121825..comments2024-01-08T14:21:37.465-08:00Comments on Infinite Art Tournament: Saint of the Month: Saint Erkemboden of Thérouanne!Michael5000http://www.blogger.com/profile/10148584819327475239noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10779294.post-39767446892495456432012-04-17T10:53:23.212-07:002012-04-17T10:53:23.212-07:00I am finding Jucio Brennan's "An Intrigui...<b>I am finding <a href="http://juiciobrennan.com/files/bishopselection/bishopSelectionFlier.pdf" rel="nofollow">Jucio Brennan's "An Intriguing History: Election of Bishops in the Catholic Church"</a> an interesting (but not, I think, definitive) brief on this issue. He portrays an evolution from direct election by all in the early Christian co-ops, with a subsequent gradual erosion of participatory rights for the womenfolk, the poor, the not-very-rich, and so on. By the 8th Century, Brennan would have the bishop-appointin' power almost exclusively in the hands of the nobility.<br /><br />If I have a correct read of the Erkembodean Milieau -- if I may say "Erkembodean Milieau" -- popular election of the Thérouanne bishop would be out of the question; Dagobert, or his successor, wouldn't have dreamed of letting anyone assume the post who wouldn't be friendly to Austrasian interests. Having said that, one can imagine that they wouldn't <i>object</i> to a bishop who was popular among the Morini, and indeed might have found it mighty convenient to have somebody on the team who could work well with the Celts, as long as that somebody was, ahem, a good team player.<br /><br />Regarding Hilebrand/Gregory VII(I): What an interesting Pope! What you have here, as I read it, is not so much "popular election" as the College of Cardinals, in only its 14th year of existence, being coerced to elect H/G VII(I) under direct threat of mob violence. This could conceiveably be election-like in expressing the will of the common Giovanni, but in general I'd be reluctant to assume that "popular uprisings," particularly in the form of street protest, necessarily have much to do with the will of the people generally.</b>Michael5000https://www.blogger.com/profile/10148584819327475239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10779294.post-51712492780199110572012-04-17T10:19:12.410-07:002012-04-17T10:19:12.410-07:00sj: Whereas, "Dagobert" would be pretty ...<b>sj: Whereas, "Dagobert" would be pretty sharp for a son.<br /><br />Owl: News to me!</b>Michael5000https://www.blogger.com/profile/10148584819327475239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10779294.post-10929890612452489502012-04-12T18:12:23.895-07:002012-04-12T18:12:23.895-07:00Bishops elected by the people of the area is not u...Bishops elected by the people of the area is not unknown. Many local rulers or districts reserved the right to choose their own bishops in this period, and the veiws of local bishops and diocese was very influential in any case that was decided by Rome. <br />And of course, even the Bishop of Rome was occasionally elected in what amounted to this way, see the election of Hilebrand as Gregory VII (or was it VIII?)UnwiseOwlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09466448988499591715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10779294.post-24603244951791510602012-04-12T14:20:06.364-07:002012-04-12T14:20:06.364-07:00I first read "daft translation of Babelfish,&...I first read "daft translation of Babelfish," which would have been ore accurate--and no doubt what you mean to imply with the funnier "deft."<br /><br />If I was still adopting daughters, I think I'd name the next one "Austrasia." Or maybe a band.sister jennoreply@blogger.com